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I don't protect many pages, but this is getting ridiculous: Speculation is not permitted on this wiki, only facts.
Yes, it's incredibly likely that it is a reference to the anti-climatic credits scene in which the Avengers eat Shawarma.
But is there any evidence to support this fact?

  • If there is not, then this is speculation.
  • If there is, please add it.

If you can't add it because the page is protected, please leave a comment here. -452 (talk) 03:10, January 26, 2015 (UTC) (updated 03:11, January 26, 2015 (UTC))

This is ridiculous. Does every reference on this wiki have a citation? I really doubt it. Go ahead and edit EVERY reference/trivia section on every page.  Because this is the most obvious possible reference AdmiralCrunch (talk) 22:55, January 27, 2015 (UTC)
We can safely assume that "Bo-Duke-En" is a reference to both Bo Duke jumping into a car - because of the name and action - and Hadouken because it's almost a homonym.
With the available information, it is not reasonable to assume the Shawarma is a reference to the Avengers.
I've asked before and I'll likely ask again: Is there a scene with the Saints sitting around eating Shawarma, or any other evidence apart from the name? -452 (talk) 23:13, January 27, 2015 (UTC)
Do you need evidence for a fucking reference?, the whole perpose of a reference is that is doesn't  require evidence, it can be identified quickly. Example being the GATV dlc, its clearly a play on GTA V. its pretty safe to assume that the Shawarma title is a reference to Avengers. Vergil Sanguis (talk) 23:04, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
Please watch your language: it's spelled "purpose".
"GAT V" has two points of correlation: The name, and the fact it was released on the same day as GTA V. The majority the things in the game also have at least two things in common, like "The Duke" looking like the "General Lee", all of the Taunts and Compliments having names that relate to the actions. The weapon allusions are much more direct, since "The Captain" would have looked like Mal's gun even without the name or the descriptions.
Did you know the word "Shawarma" before you saw it in the Avengers, Vergil Sanguis, or is the reason you are connecting the two because the Avengers is the only other place you've heard of it? Personally, I've eaten Shawarma since long before that film, so I'm perplexed why people would connect these two dots.
I've asked before and I'll likely ask again: Is there a scene with the Saints sitting around eating Shawarma, or any other evidence apart from the name? -452 23:30, May 3, 2015 (UTC) (typo fixed 23:32, May 3, 2015 (UTC))
Really you're gonna point out typos? Great why to come across as an arsehole. And yes I did know about shawarma before the Avengers. anyway an after-credits scene named shawarma, yeah that sounds like good reasoning that its a reference. all you are doing is coming across as pedantic. (Unsigned: User:Vergil Sanguis 18:07, May 5, 2015)
And no as far as I know there is no scene with the Saints eating Shawarma, but imitation is not the only way to reference something. (Unsigned: User:Vergil Sanguis 18:10, May 5, 2015)
It was a "joke". I'll explain it to you: you said the word "fucking", which is not allowed on many wikis. However, on this wiki, we don't care about language, so long as you don't insult other users. So, while on other wikis, you would have been told to watch your language regarding the word "fucking", I told you to "watch your language" regarding a typo. I'm sorry that the joke went over your head.
Before I joined the wiki, it had a major problem with false information, speculation, and assumptions - and was widely considered to be full of mistakes. I've personally overseen the removal of hundreds of pieces of plainly false information, and actively prevent the addition of possibly false information by being pedantic.
If you'd like to help improve the wiki instead of bickering about a possible reference without evidence, check out the Saints Row Wiki:To-do list. -452 18:16, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, got the joke, wasn't funny. and you're clearly missing my point, there is a difference between, speculation and obvious falsehoods, and intelligent assumption. Vergil Sanguis (talk) 18:26, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
Whether you thought it was funny or not, the only reason I mentioned the typo was due to your use of the word "fucking", so if you understood the joke, then your comment "Really you're gonna point out typos?" does not make sense.
Unfortunately, due to rampant incorrect speculation and assumption in the past, it's no longer permitted. People thought it was "intelligent assumption" that Gat and Lin were brother and sister. You know how I finally settled that? I asked Volition, so why don't you try that?
To be clear: I'm not saying "Shawarma is not a reference to the Avengers", I'm saying "There is insufficient evidence to state that in the article". The obvious solution to that is "Obtain additional evidence".
This is the same concept as adding [citation needed], I'm not saying it's necessarily false, I'm saying "go get evidence".
I'm not sure exactly who is in charge of naming missions and cutscenes, but many of Volition's devs are active on twitter, and they're now hosting weekly livestreams on twitch, so there's two ideas for you to help gather evidence.
Also, thank you for answering the question about whether there was a scene of the Saints eating Shawarma. -452 18:45, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
The other half of the "No speculation" policy is that when people don't say "the wiki is unreliable", they instead say "It says X on the wiki, so must be true", even if it's not. Even if we had "The name of the cutscene could be a reference to the Avengers", someone is going to read that and tell his friends "The wiki says the name of the cutscene is a reference to the Avengers". While this particular instance is a borderline case, that's the reason the policy exists.
But at the end of the day, it doesn't matter whether or not the Avengers is mentioned in the article. There's a great deal of factual information about Gat out of Hell that has yet to be added to the wiki, so it seems strange for there to be so much discussion on this one piece of insignificant trivia. -452 19:43, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
You know what, you're right, it doesn't matter. (unsigned: User:Vergil Sanguis 22:08, May 5, 2015)


Not to mention, I've seen SEVERAL pages on this wiki that have words such as; likely, probably, might be, and similar. What's so special about this one that makes it so impossible to say it probably is, especially considering that the developers have obviously seen at least Iron Man with the Iron Saint reference? Gphoenix51 (talk) 23:07, January 27, 2015 (UTC)
All of those words are on my list of words to remove that are listed at the top of every page I edit. Even on this page, there's a note to tell me that this page contains "you, seen, obvious, likely, even, mention, probabl, possibl".
Unfortunately, I don't have time to completely reword every article today, so it would be great if you could lend a hand and help reword them. -452 (talk) 23:13, January 27, 2015 (UTC)
And honestly even if you don't accept it's a reference, it's pretty ridiculous to emphasize that the name is 'unexplained'  AdmiralCrunch (talk) 23:08, January 27, 2015 (UTC)
So, you're proposing to remove the line that the reference title is unexplained? It is factually true that it is unexplained, and there are many articles which similarly state when things are unexplained, but this might be a good idea - do you have any additional reasons that this line should be removed? -452 (talk) 23:13, January 27, 2015 (UTC) (edited 23:14, January 27, 2015 (UTC))
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