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Automated transfer of Problem Report #26940 Edit

the murder list is not completed by the protagonist there is more kills than its recorded (left by User:Cartman1138 via Special:ProblemReports/26940 on 2009-11-30 03:41:11 UTC)


Female 1 voice sings "Everybody Wants To Rule The World" by Tears For Fears (unsigned: Takun24 23:20, January 3, 2010)

Female 3 sings to "Land Down Under". (unsigned: 10:39, January 5, 2010)

Canonical stuffEdit

Well, in the trailers, the protonagist appears to be a African male, so I suggest this information should be in the side-bar, in place of "your choice". (unsigned: Baronsamedi11 06:04, February 1, 2010)

Yes he's African in the Saints Row 2 trailers but in in the trailer for the first game he is Caucasian - Now heres the tricky part, what ones Canon (unsigned: 00:50, February 27, 2010)
Guys, sign your posts with ~~~~. And what race your character is, is entirely your own choice. They just had to use one for the trailers. Well, it just happened to be Caucasian for SR1 and African-American for SR2. And if there'd be a canon about what race the main character is, we wouldn't have gotten the option to choice it ourselves. -- Master Sima Yi 19:28, March 30, 2010 (UTC)
exactly, the race is chosen and like most things in the game, its all about choice. I really hate it when a game with choices come out and there is some idiot trying to say whats canon and whats not, you're given choices for a bloody reason!
its like fable, in fable you could do anything, be good, be evil, get married etc but some bunch of wankers go on and say whats canon and whats not( mainly i think its because the paintings in fable 2 depicted a good hero but that could simply be because they can't transfer memory from an xbox to the xbox 360 and had to use something)
does it ever occur to these losers that we're given these choices because the path and story is up to us and its not set in stone. take me for example, in saints row 1 and 2, i'm white,strong and a serial killer and mass murderer (yes i know you pretty much do that a lot when working for gangs and hitmen but i'm talking about free time and killing innocents) and so thats my character, an evil sociopathic nutjob that preys on the weak but i don't say thats canon and any other character type is not.
whatever your character is, white,black,hispanic,asian its upto the player. sorry for the rant. 14:19, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

Canon Edit

Well, wrapping up what is said above, in both games, the generic protagonist is a Male, even lines said by the female protagonist can ony be said by males, or some activities (i.e. Snatch), so we should have ot settle that the gender is a canon male. In Saints Row, the generic protagonist is Caucasion. However, in Saints Row 2, the generic protagonist is an Africa American. But we must not forget what happens at the end of Saints Row, with an entire fucking boat exploding. The burns the protagonist would recieve would severely change skin color. And during the protagonist's surgery in prison, racve may have been changed while re-growing skin cells, so we must agree that the protagonist is a canon Caucasion. -Spedster777 18:05, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

I do not believe that the default protagonist in Saints Row 2 was in any way influenced by the explosion (that would be slightly racist if it was)
I don't think there are any lines that "can only be said by males". The female voices have some alternate lines, and the Ho-ing diversion lines are very different. Civilian lines randomly said are also determined by the current sex of the protagonist. (And although you didn't mention it, there is no reason a female cannot go to a strip club and enjoy themselves.)
"so we must agree that the protagonist is a canon Caucasion." I do not agree. The protagonist is whichever race the player chooses. There is no need to state the protagonist's race, as it has no influence on the game. If race must be stated, such as in the info box, it should say something like "Race: Choice of Asian, Hispanic, Caucasian (Saints Row 1 default), African American (Saints Row 2 default)"
What is definitely canonical is that the protagonist "looks different" in Saints Row 2 due to the burns, because characters in the game will always ask about your hair :P
-452 18:31, March 27, 2011 (UTC)
Its whatever u decide. The protagonist is cacausian in SR1 trailers. For SR2 they (like every other game with customized characters) just used a generic, typical appearance for the trailers and screenshots. I would argue that canonically the protagonist is MALE, and the female option in SR2 was just for change sake. As for myself, i recreated as best i could the same white male i used in SR1 for use in SR2. I wouldn't regard things such as going around killing innocents as canon, thats just there for fun, like in GTA games. If Volition HAD to choose a canon path then i reckon they would just say a male character (because he is male only in SR1) and the story missions. Basically doing things like the cutscenes would portray him. NT92 15:15, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
I agree with User:NT92. Gender is definately a canon MALE. However race is debatable. I will ask V-singular about this. -Spedster777 19:03, April 9, 2011 (UTC)</p>
Could you please use standard wiki formatting instead of "<p style="margin-left: 40px">".
Asking V-singular is a great idea. While you're asking him, could you also ask him for confirmation that Lin and Gat are not related (It has been flagged as Citation Needed in the article), and ask him what the "Chop Shop" entry in "Customization Items" is, as well as why the Help text for the garage says "one hundred sixty" vehicles, when you can only put 64 in yourself?. Getting answers to those would really help improve the wiki. Thanks -452 21:50, April 9, 2011 (UTC)
white male is no more canon thanthe african american one. its all about choice, we are given choice to customize our character so in my point of veiw there is no canon race/gender for the boss because otherwise whats the point in given us the choice if one was the "real" protagonist. its down to choice, end of story. 23:00, July 25, 2011 (UTC)
In a way there is no canon appearance. In Saints Row the third, he can change himself to look like the commander of STAG, who is white male, but before doing this the protagonist can be male, female, and not a white person before doing this. So Storywise it seems that Image as Designed can make the protagonist anything he or she wants, if that makes sense. (CallumFreeman 13:28, January 2, 2012 (UTC))
There is also the gender change thing as well that the Protagonist can go MTF in some time.(Queen Darkness Von Haven (talk) 01:17, December 18, 2013 (UTC))

Friendship with Aisha and Johnny Edit

Is the Protagnist even friends with Aisha in the Second game they only truly have a conversation once and it didn't seem like he/she were to angry about her death except for the part "I'm gonna take out the son of a bitch that killed Aisha". 19:23, May 21, 2011 (UTC)Aisha101

I agree. I don't know why the article claims they were friends. -452 21:25, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

Gallery Edit

I wont add images in the Biography section as obviously the character can be customized to whatever you want. But I hope its ok if I make a Gallary on the bottom of the page, showing photos from the trailers, art work and all that showing what the character is shown like. Obviously it doesnt have to be considered canon. (CallumFreeman 12:01, September 20, 2011 (UTC))

I was actually surprised to see that this article never had a gallery section before. – Moozipan Cheese(talk page) 12:20, September 21, 2011 (UTC)
The article could also use images of the default protagonists without modification. -452 07:19, September 22, 2011 (UTC)


The sections are all messed up. While the spoiler policy is "People shouldn't be reading a wiki unless they want spoilers, the events of each game should be separated by game, and there should not be spoilers like "boat explosion" in the TOC. If there must be headings, they should be more general. -452 07:19, September 22, 2011 (UTC)

epilogue / Epilogue Edit

In the game text, the word Epilogue only appears as the first word and is therefore always capitalised anyway, but the word Prologue is capitalised in the Help text about cribs:

  • "HELP_TEXT_CRIBS": "Cribs are available for purchase after the Prologue. [...]"

So it can be assumed that Epilogue should also be capitalised. -452 22:52, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

Very odd capitalisation they have there. – Moozipan Cheese(talk page) 23:42, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

Also Known As Edit

Add "Butcher of Stilwater" to the also known as section of the bio table. He is referred to this as he fights Killbane in SR3.(unsigned: 08:57, November 17, 2011)

Feel free to add that. (Apparently we still need to put the words "Anyone can edit" in a larger font.) --452 21:22, November 19, 2011 (UTC)
That sounds like a great Idea.The "Anyone can edit" part.V.J.Tempest 14:51, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
It was a joke. Wikis by definition are developed by a community of users. :) – Moozipan Cheese(talk page) 02:18, January 4, 2012 (UTC)
I have no intention on creating an account and as such the page is locked. (unsigned: - 03:43, November 21, 2011)
It was protected because of of how many anon edits were being reverted. Creating an account is painless, I assure you. --452 21:46, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

Timeline Edit

Whats the point in having people edit if someone corrects something and then you change it back i mean you Moozipan Cheese---------- The Lost and Found 18:26, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

Please clarify? – Moozipan Cheese(talk page) 01:06, December 25, 2011 (UTC)

Love Interest Edit

The Female voice 2 of Saints Row 3, the Russian one, seems to love Pierce.

There are many hints to that, and the main one is when they are raiding the armory, a little before the last mission, when they start making coffesions, she says that she want to make love with pierce.

Is there anything similar but with different characters, for different voices in the game? (unsigned: 5:46, December 31, 2011)

Not that I've heard, but I've currently only played through the game as Male Voice 1 and Female Voice 1. – Moozipan Cheese(talk page) 00:48, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

More Interesting Name? Edit

Does anyone else think this character could use a more interesting name? "The Protagonist"? What about "The Stillwater Butcher" or "The Butcher of Stillwater"? Even "The Boss" would be an improvement. Feel free to add any titles I missed. Hitman (Com Link) 08:01, January 5, 2012 (UTC)

If anything, it would be "Playa", as it is the first thing he is called in the game. However, I think it is fine as it is. But since the last poll has just ended, perhaps this should be put to a poll.
Give me a list of suggestions, and I'll make a poll about it. --452 08:13, January 5, 2012 (UTC)
The subtitles always say "Playa", but the internal data strings reference the protagonist as "player". --452 08:19, January 5, 2012 (UTC)
Since "Stilwater Butcher" is an SRTT thing, I don't think it would be a good choice. Here's what I'm thinking of putting as poll options: Protagonist, Playa, Player, Player Character, Main Character, Boss. --452 08:17, January 5, 2012 (UTC)
The character's never referred to as "Boss/The Boss" in the first Saints Row, are they? Personally, I don't like it when users refer to the character as Boss, and I don't think Boss should be an option. Just keep it as a redirect. Oh, and the "Stilwater Butcher" is only mentioned in "Murderbrawl XXXI", I think. Maybe "A Remote Chance" too. – Moozipan Cheese(talk page) 13:19, January 5, 2012 (UTC)
"Boss" doesn't appear in the Saints Row strings file, so I don't think so. I don't really like it either, so lets count that one out too. I don't really like "Playa", as it's slang, but it really is the thing the Protagonist is referred to most often, other than "you". --452 13:26, January 5, 2012 (UTC)
Maybe The President. Queen Darkness Von Haven (talk) 20:13, January 4, 2014 (UTC)
His name is not "The President", and "The President" is an official title, not a nickname. Unless I missed something big, he's not referred to as "The President" in Saints Row, Saints Row 2 or Saints Row: The Third, which completely rules it out. -452 (talk) 20:18, January 4, 2014 (UTC)

the trouble with clones title in the article Edit

what's the point of adding it to the article if your not going to add information to it!!!Bolandjj98 17:57, March 31, 2012 (UTC)Bolandjj01

I 100% agree.
That information was added on March 7, by CallumFreeman, please contact him directly if you wish to ask why he added the headings.
Feel free to edit the article yourself and remove the headings. --452 22:17, March 31, 2012 (UTC)
I added the headings but before I could add anything my computer had problems and had to be replaced, so I was offline for a few weeks. I will add something soon. (CallumFreeman 10:33, May 7, 2012 (UTC))
In future, please do not add headings with no content. --452 23:42, May 7, 2012 (UTC)


I was wondering why the de facto format was to capitalise both "The" and "Protagonist", so I look a look at the page history and found that originally, it was "the protagonist" in all but the titles and headings.
It was an anon user who first capitalised "Protagonist", and even then, "the" stayed mostly lowercase for a while later.
Thinking about it, I'm unsure that either word should be capitalised. In any other context, "the protagonist" would be the correct capitalisation.
I know proper nouns should be capitalised, but as it's an unofficial title, does that rule apply?
I looked up some capitalisation guides, but I can't find an examples that apply. The closest thing i can find is:
Example: The award was given to Chancellor Brady.
Example: Dr. Linda P. Brady is the chancellor of The University of North Carolina at Greensboro.
tvtropes uses the term "the protagonist"
They even have a section on our beloved Playa!
In both Saints Row games the main player character is never given a name. In the first game he's called "dawg' or "playa". In the second game this is held up (partially since you can make the main character a woman, and the character isn't even referred to with a pronoun), and the character is mainly referred to simply as "Boss" by the other Saints, and "you" by most of the other characters.
Also: - which uses The Protagonist the first time, and lowercase thereafter.
--452 23:09, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
You know, for the longest time I thought that it was supposed to be "the Protagonist", and that's still reflected in all of the Missions in Saints Row articles I overhauled. Somewhere along the line I've changed my mind and I've been meaning to change it to "The Protagonist", along with other cleanup.
Anyway, it's something I've thought about quite a few times, but not for long. I always hoped we'd soon rename this page to something else and then it wouldn't matter. I think it can still be considered a proper noun even if it's an unofficial title we've given him, right?
And if so, what is the rule on capitalisation regarding article titles? If it's not a proper noun, should the article be renamed to "The protagonist" as well? – Moozipan Cheese(talk page) 00:07, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
I'm still thinking of renaming it to "Protagonist", that way there isn't a question of whether the P is supposed to be p or P.
As per both the capitalisation guides I've been reading, and tvtropes, capitalising it in the heading, and the first time it is used seems to be the way to go. Although it's not a big thing at all, it would be nice to put it in the style guide to stop unnecessary back and forth edits.
On the wiki currently, there are 274 instances of "the protagonist", 878 instances of "the Protagonist" and 1381 instances of "The Protagonist". So more than half use "tP", and 1/6 use "tp", which I think are non-trivial numbers - either to ignore or say are wrong. Perhaps a policy of "they're all right, don't edit a page just to change "tp" to "TP", if you prefer TP, feel free to use TP in prose whenever you write a paragraph yourself" - at the least, it should encourage extended contributions, right? --452 01:28, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
Slightly off-topic, but how'd you find out about the number of instances of tp/tP/TP, etc? – Moozipan Cheese(talk page) 19:57, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
I downloaded the database dump and searched - don't worry, I didn't count them individually. --452 23:56, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
Oh, okay. I'm not entirely sure what that means, but I thought there was some Special page I was unaware of. – Moozipan Cheese(talk page) 11:17, May 29, 2012 (UTC)
See the bottom of Special:Statistics. --452 17:07, May 29, 2012 (UTC)
@Moozipan Cheese -I'm not sure of the capitalization rules for article titles on this wiki, but I know that in most formal writing styles "important" words of the title are to be capitalized as well as the first and last words of the title,regardless of their classification. "Protagonist" would fit both criteria if the wiki follows the same rules.
We are just caught in an odd situation with no real name for the player character, so we created a title for the PC. We did not make up a name such as Doom Guy (bet you can't guess which game he's from), but the title we have adopted is probably closer in use to the Zodiac Killer than anything else. Not because they both have killed and seemed to enjoy it, but because they are both known figures that have managed to remain nameless. From the usage I have seen the it appears as "the Zodiac Killer" and much like protagonist, simply using Zodiac Killer without the article would disrupt the flow of the article. Perhaps another exampleis Jack the Ripper. Notice how he is called the Ripper, not The Ripper...Odd examples I know, but at least for the moment they are the closest and best that I could think of.
XxSick DemonxX 06:12, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
Good examples. Wikipedia's article on "the Zodiac Killer" is called "Zodiac Killer", but it almost always appears as "the Zodiac Killer".
As for the P, I guess it comes down to whether "the Protagonist" is a name or a description, since ZK and JtR get capitalisations because they're nicknames. --452 06:22, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia's article on Fight Club (novel) uses the heading "Narrator", and uses "the narrator" in text. Although it also uses "the Narrator" in some sections. --452 06:26, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
And while I don't want to use this as the one and only reason to do anything: Wikipedia's articles on Saints Row 1 and 2 exclusively use "protagonist" in lowercase. --452 06:29, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

I looked at the Wikipedia articles for SR 1 & 2, and when they used protagonist it was always in lowercase...but I did notice something else. In the article for SR1 they used "the player" most frequently and worded the article around the PC as only the the charater being controlled, and not so much a character in his own right. SR2 used "the protagonist" for some of the article, but also used "the Boss" which keeps the issue somewhat complicated.

I think you asked the right question earlier is "the Protagonist" a name or a description? After reading through the article again I think that for our use it might be best as a nickname, because it has a focus on the character.

What I mean by that is the page covers all the actions of the main character as if they were done by the main character himself as opposed to the SR1 wikipedia page which describes all the events as being done by us (the players). If the article focused more on what we as players could do as the protagonist I would say tp is just a description, but the vast majority of the article covers things from the PC's mindset and even has a personality breakdown. Thoughts?

XxSick DemonxX 18:19, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
I took a look at Doom's main character, like you mentioned, and interestingly found that they simply name the page Doom's protagonist, whereas Wikipedia surprisingly opts the unofficial title Doomguy. So I did some reading up on Wikipedia's rules on naming articles, and it seems that, like I thought, they name articles on their most known title in other reliable sources (see here and here). However, this still doesn't help us, as if we followed these rules we'd have to rename this page "The Boss", which, as has been mentioned enough times already, doesn't work due to the first Saints Row.
In short, this reply isn't much help, and neither am I. Although I am starting to like "The Protagonist" again now, capitalised as it already is. – Moozipan Cheese(talk page) 18:33, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
The thing is, although "the protagonist" is the most correct, it looks very informal. Apart from look, can you think of any other reason capitalise "The"? I think we're just going to have to put it to a poll between tp tP and TP. --452 20:43, May 30, 2012 (UTC)
I guess it simply depends on whether we choose to name him "The Protagonist" or "Protagonist". Both are valid titles, right? Or we don't give him a name, and just call him "the protagonist", but not as a title. Much like how we could call him either "The Main Character" or "Main Character", or simply "main character" normally. – Moozipan Cheese(talk page) 22:08, May 30, 2012 (UTC)
Oh right, haha, I had completely forgotten about just dropping "the" altogether. Which makes the most sense. We don't really need a poll to decide this if we just decide to drop the "the". Article "Protagonist", constantly referred to as "the [[Protagonist]]" works for me if it works for you. Starting the Protagonist article with "The Protagonist is (a murderous egomanic)" is no problem, as all vehicle articles begin with "the". Although we would still need to decide between p and P. --452 23:35, May 30, 2012 (UTC)
Sounds good. As for p or P, I'm genuinely fine with either. Probably capitalised if we're giving it to him as a title though. – Moozipan Cheese(talk page) 10:49, May 31, 2012 (UTC)
Also, the game refers to the Saint's Row district as "the Row" rather than "The Row", so tP over TP follows that style. – Moozipan Cheese(talk page) 11:14, May 31, 2012 (UTC)
That is a perfect example, thanks. --452 13:54, May 31, 2012 (UTC)
I think I just found a more perfect example, which I really should have noticed earlier. The General. --452 02:05, June 27, 2012 (UTC)
So it's a capitalised 't' then? – Moozipan Cheese(talk page) 20:39, June 27, 2012 (UTC)
The reasons for "TP" seem to outweigh the reasons for anything else. --452 03:29, June 28, 2012 (UTC)
I have now replaced tp and tP with TP in all articles. -452 01:18, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
And my inbox has been bombarded with all the revision emails. :P – Moozipan Cheese(talk page) 13:46, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
Ah, damn, I was assuming the import tool wouldn't send them out. Another side-effect is a couple of red links, but not as many as I feared!
All in all, I think using the import tool to fix common problems is worth it (especially as it doesn't increase my edit count). If I'd known how easy it was, I'd have used ages ago. -452 23:21, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
I wish I knew why that random ? appears at the end of filenames, and why wikia doesn't strip it out. (some character was already there, me opening the file in a text editor which didn't support that character causes the ? to appear)
Which can still be seen by using the old revision and copy/pasting that line into notepad. I'll look into this more later.
4 link for Mr. Wong's Translator had that extra character, so it's more than just images. I think it must be something to do with copying a url from the address bar. I'm definitely going to try to find out what the character is, and find all instances of it so I can fix it. -452 00:34, September 20, 2012 (UTC)
Curiously, it was me who added that link, and the old revision shows that I was the person who added that character. -452 01:29, September 20, 2012 (UTC)
So it's all your fault! I see. – Moozipan Cheese(talk page) 20:20, September 20, 2012 (UTC)
There are 10 characters between these quotes: "" Still no idea what they are though -452 23:46, September 20, 2012 (UTC)
Ah, it's html character 8206, aka &lrm;, - No idea why it was there. But I do know there is some strange key combo to insert that and I've had it randomly happen to me before. -452 23:52, September 20, 2012 (UTC)
I just noticed I'm not the only one ;) - One Step Ahead, and a few others have the same character at the end of the filename - it works right now, because the browser is just ignoring it, but it's there (move the cursor character by character and it takes two presses to get from "ogg" to "}"). I'm going to remove it from all articles now, and future-proof all other extended characters (The asian characters in asian character articles are also messed up) The fact that it happened to you too, and only in very specific circumstances gives me an idea though - you and I probably both copied the filename from the "upload success" screen, so perhaps that character is at the end of the filename on that page for some reason. -452 23:02, September 24, 2012 (UTC)
Tested, nope. :( -452 23:13, September 24, 2012 (UTC)
I also wish I knew how random "a" got on the end of that category... -452 00:16, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

Name classified? Edit

In SR3 in one of the Kinzie escort missions, she claims to have found his real name of the internet, to which he responded "Classified for a reason, love." (I was using voice 3, Idunno if the other voices say that)

Should this be mentioned or is it not considered canon?Onomatopoeia 05:24, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

If it happened within the game, it should be recorded here. It is a true fact that that line is said.
I remember reading that before, but I'm not sure which article it was in. Are you sure there is a Kinzie escort mission? Because Missions in Saints Row: The Third indicates that there isn't. --452 01:12, May 27, 2012 (UTC)
He's probably referring to one of the three "Heli Assault" Activity instances with Kinzie. – Moozipan Cheese(talk page) 18:24, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Murders Edit

The "murders committed" list is somewhat redundant as all of those murders should already be listed in the article as prose.

Should we also create lists for "character the Protagonist has met", "missions the Protagonist appears in", and maybe "weapons the Protagonist has used"?

I just don't see the point in having that list, which is why I removed it last year. --452 20:43, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

An additional reason for the original removal was the constant reversions of information. If this section results in edit wars (information being constantly added and removed), then the section will be removed. --452 23:51, June 25, 2012 (UTC)
This is warning 1 of 5 regarding the reversion of information in that section. (false information was re-added) --452 01:59, June 29, 2012 (UTC)
This is warning 2 of 5 regarding the reversion of information in that section. (relevant information was removed, plot details were added) --452 23:29, July 2, 2012 (UTC)
This is warning 3 of 5 regarding the reversion of information in that section. (plot details were added which was previously warned about in edit summary.) --452 07:15, July 3, 2012 (UTC)
This is warning 4 of 5 regarding reversion of information in that section. (false information and plot details were added.) --452 06:09, July 20, 2012 (UTC)
Despite multiple warnings, false information was again re-added to the "murders" section. Shogo was not killed by TP. While TP was present, Johnny put him in the coffin and lowered it into the ground. --452 07:44, July 29, 2012 (UTC)
Another good reason for not using a list is that a list format can more easily cause confusion. For example, when I was cleaning up the list, I mistakenly removed Matt because I immediately thought of the non-fatal encounter with Matt during Thank You and Goodnight!, instead of fatal encounter during The Siege. Had this been written in prose, and described when and how he was killed it, a mistake like this is unlikely to happen. --452 01:28, June 27, 2012 (UTC)
It does seem a little excessive. Although I do like the formatting of the section. – Moozipan Cheese(talk page) 20:42, June 27, 2012 (UTC)
I should really avoid improving sections I don't like. --452 03:29, June 28, 2012 (UTC)
On 06:25, July 1, 2012, I attempted to improve the list further by adding cutscene/mission information, but that information has since been removed.
This highlights another problem with the list format - it's completely unclear when and how the murders occur, and whether they are actions taken by the Player, or by the Protagonist with no input by the player. The death of Matt is particularly removed from the person playing the game - Matt's presence was unknown until the cutscene begins, and he is killed in the same cutscene, whereas the death of Price is entirely the doing of the player - he is dead as the cutscene begins. Ditto with Jyunichi.
To re-cap:
  • The list duplicates what should be written as prose.
  • The list is unclear, which would be avoided if it was prose.
  • The list is unreferenced, which would be avoided if it was prose.
  • High volume of incorrect edits to the section would be avoided if it was prose.
--452 07:15, July 3, 2012 (UTC)
I think I have given this section a fair chance, I even attempted to improve the section by adding notes. This section simply causes too many conflicting revisions and would be far better as prose. --452 06:09, July 20, 2012 (UTC)
Section removed due to editing conflicts - as I have said previously, plot details like this should be written as prose rather than a list. We do not have list of "Mission appearances" and we do not have lists of "murders". --452 07:44, July 29, 2012 (UTC)

Same guy Edit

I'm new to the saints row story (I just bought saints row the third) and I was wondering is the protagonist the same guy throght the trilogy. (unsigned: 20:29, June 30, 2012)

Yes, it is supposed to be the same character. The default appearance is different in each game, and the player can customize their character at the beginning of each game. But from a storyline point of view, they're supposed to be exactly the same person. --452 23:00, June 30, 2012 (UTC)


I think the boss is an alien, his parents put him on earth to defend him from the alien warlord who will be the villain in Saints Row 4. The boss is an advanced shapeshifter, and before meeting the saints was an urban legend on the streets of Stilwater. When he met Julius, he formed the perfect plan of becoming the biggest bad ass ever. I think the boss should be given the nickhame "The Alluded Shapeshifting Being". Anyone agree? Thats why he loves Jenny from Gangstas in Space, and him and her will have a daughter together called Lin after his late friend. He also has the ability to bring the dead back, and is the private owner of a lazarous pit. ( 22:11, July 3, 2012 (UTC))

Do not add your fan-fiction to articles again. --452 02:08, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

Simplicity? Edit

You know, it isn't too complicated for us to refer to the character as s/he 'and/or 'his/her throughout the article, and add some pictures of the female versions (Butterfly clip Hair style Cauasian Female from SRTT and Default African-American Female from SR2). And before "Lack of canon for female", the canon is up to the Players (pun intended).Chimoshi (talk) 11:14, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Slashes and parentheses in articles are frowned upon as the negatively impact readability. Slashes and parentheses in all articles should be reworded. In order to avoid littering articles with "he/she", "him/her", "his/her", this wiki uses either gender-neutral or masculine pronouns. I've now replaced the word "Simplicity" with "readability".
"and add some pictures of the female versions"
I'm not sure what your point is. The only reason there are none is because no-one has uploaded any, so feel free to upload them yourself.
" And before "Lack of canon for female", the canon is up to the Players (pun intended)."
I'm unsure what you're referring to, the word "Canon" does not appear in the article. --452 00:14, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
Well he meant "players" was the pun, not canon. El Dovakin (talk) 07:54, October 8, 2012 (UTC)

SRTT promo poster says "Player"Edit --452 07:55, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

Interesting to note. – Moozipan Cheese(talk page) 22:25, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

Strange writing Edit

"In both Saints Row 2 and Saints Row: the Third, The Protagonist interacts with women in a neutral sense. In Saints Row: the ThirdFemale Voice 1 states "I like men" when disguised as Cyrus Temple."

Is it just me who fail to see how the last line relates to the first? 

Why does the fact that Female Voice 1 states "I like men" in a jokely manner while disguised as Cyrus to Kia relate to the fact that "The Protagonist interacts with woman in a neutral sense"?. 

(unsigned: User:Hurgu 23:06, January 23, 2013)


The Protagonist's name during development has been revealed as "Mikey" in today's twitch stream.
Unless a different name is actually revealed in Saints Row IV, I vote for a rename.
Steve Jaros is the lead writer. Anything he says is automatically canon. (Well, unless it's wrong.) -452 20:06, August 14, 2013 (UTC)
The link doesnt work for me.The Lost and Found (talk) 14:46, September 10, 2013 (UTC)

Saints Row voicesEdit

Kenn Michael was added as the African American voice in Saints Row. While this may be true, no source has been supplied.
Someone should get Kenn Michael, Steve Jaros or someone else who worked for Volition at the time to confirm it on twitter. -452 (talk) 23:37, January 26, 2014 (UTC)

Cleanup Edit

As the cleanup tag says, this article should not be used as a full summary of every mission, and here's an example:

  • The robbery goes wrong and a seemingly endless SWAT team arrives. They fight their way out and The Protagonist attempts to escape by having the vault lifted out by a helicopter, but the helicopter is shot down and they are arrested by the team.{{ref|'''Mission''': [[When Good Heists Go Bad]]}}

That's a full summary of the mission. The fact that the vault is lifted out by a helicopter has no importance to the overall plot. The only thing that is important is:

  • The robbery goes wrong and they are arrested by SWAT.{{ref|'''Mission''': [[When Good Heists Go Bad]]}}

I've rewording more of that paragraph, but this comparison shows the essence of what should be cleaned up. -452 (talk) 14:08, March 8, 2014 (UTC)

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