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  • The Update

    There was supposed to be a final warning 2 weeks before the update took place - there was not one.

    Wikia Staff created a "test" wiki in August, and I highlighted a variety of reasons why the UCP was not prepared for deployment to the Saints Row Wiki. At the time, they had threatened that it was going live within two weeks. Since that "2 weeks" warning went away and never returned, I assumed they were working on fixing the issues I identified.

    But as you can see, a variety of problems are now live here.

    The only reason it doesn't look worse is because I already began fixing a range of upcoming display problems in June.

    I have fixed the vast majority of the things that I can fix, and have annotated the list of issues with what I have fixed, and what is impossible for me to fix.

    Transcluded news posts are supposed to be cut off at 600 characters, so this paragraph shouldn't be visible.
    This has been broken for 6 months now.

    They have picked the worst time to deploy this without warning, and I will not be able to mitigate their problems until at least the weekend. I expect they will send their goon squad leading part of an advancing military formation in to try to fix the problems their way before I have a chance to do it myself.

    As someone who cares about the quality of my work, I am absolutely disgusted by Wikia's lack of interest in the quality of their own work.

    It looks like they have fixed a couple of things, however, here is a list of things which a multimillion dollar corporation with hundreds of employees and billions of pageviews thinks is acceptable:

    (In no particular order, but numbered because there are so many of them)

    1. Uneven italics tags in headings now escape the TOC and make the entire article italic.
      • I would have noticed the entire article was in italics previously. and Archive.org results show that this was not the case before the update.
    2. The search page now encourages people to create a page named after their search terms.
      • There's no reason to do this, and it will only encourage vandalism.
    3. Advanced Special:Search options are broken.
      • There is nothing I can do to fix this. This is something only Wikia Staff can fix.
      • The default search for "infobox bullets" shows 90 pages, with the first results being category pages.
      • After clicking "Select All" only 1 page is shown. (2 now, including this page.)
      • They've changed something, because these results are no longer the same.
    4. Redirects in Categories are not italicised.
      • I have fixed myself with CSS, because it's too fucking annoying to leave unfixed.
    5. Links to wikia.com for old revisions of pages which are now redirects, are redirected to the new page instead of displaying the old revision of the page.
    6. On multiple occasions since the update, the Wiki-navigation link to Saints Row Wiki:Templates has randomly changed from "Templates" to "Templates on FANDOM".
    7. Special:ListRedirects is capped at 1000. It used to be capped at 5000.
    8. User pages are now inaccessible: user:452. You can see your own, but everyone else sees "This user has not filled out their profile page yet."
      • This was not broken yesterday. It's a brand new thing they've added to the pile of broken features.
      • They've also hidden the edit dropdown - which is hilarious, because if it was there, purging the page would temporarily show the content of the page.
      • I've side-stepped this myself by modifying the purge script to automatically reload user pages. Because who knows how many months it will be before Wikia Staff get around to fixing it themselves.
      • For 5 days now, the Saints Row Wiki is the ONLY wiki that displays other people's user pages.
      • This was eventually fixed.
    9. The API documentation used to be a single page, so it was easy to search for a term and find all occurrences to learn how the API worked. It is now split into individual pages, so in order to learn, you already have to know what you're looking for, which is discriminatory towards new users, and slows down established users.
      • There is nothing I can do to fix this. This is something only Wikia Staff can fix.
    10. Previews are not wrapped with .WikiaArticle, so are not accurate as some CSS is not applied.
      • When I first started editing this wiki, previews were flawless, and 100% matched the published page. Over the years, Wikia has introduced more and more inconsistencies, and it's really obvious at this point that they couldn't give a fuck about things like accuracy and presentation.
      • I could fix this by rewriting dozens, perhaps hundreds, of CSS rules to account for this, but this wouldn't make them accurate due to other issues.
    11. When you go to Special:Contributions/SomeUsernameThatDoesn'tReallyExist, the Contributions link is for your own IP address.
      • As this is the default behaviour, there is no reason for me to fix this.
    12. DPL "ignorecase=true" does not work correctly
      • There is nothing I can do to fix this. This is something only Wikia Staff can fix.
      • Still broken, it seems like it just uses lowercase instead of ignoring the case
    13. DPL queries containing "|addeditdate=true |ordermethod=created" display all revisions instead of just one revision.
      • There is nothing I can do to fix this. This is something only Wikia Staff can fix.
    14. DPL queries displaying usernames don't work - this effects all previous forum posts.
    15. DPL queries for looking up usernames don't work - my userpage says I've only made 3 forum posts.
      • There is nothing I can do to fix this. This is something only Wikia Staff can fix.
    16. Usernames are missing in page exports, for all edits before the update occurred.
      • There is nothing I can do to fix this. This is something only Wikia Staff can fix.
      • Edits are attributed by ID, but the lack of username makes it much more difficult to read the XML files, especially if you're looking for an edit from a particular user.
      • The fact that usernames are present for edits since the update indicates that this was not intentional. And hints that this is the same cause of the DPL username issues.
      • Deleting and restoring fixes all of the username issues. Should I just delete and restore every single page on the wiki?
      • This issue has been fixed, apparently by a bandaid fix instead of actually populating the actor database, as the other 2 issues caused by this have not been fixed.
    17. Special:DeletedContributions doesn't list anything deleted before the UCP update.
      • There is nothing I can do to fix this. This is something only Wikia Staff can fix.
      • The revisions still exist in the database, and can be seen by viewing the deleted page history itself, and undeleting then redeleting adds it to Special:DeletedContributions. This appears to be exactly the same cause as the other 3 username issues.
    18. deleted revisions of old Blogs are not available to view or restore
      • There is nothing I can do to fix this. This is something only Wikia Staff can fix.
    19. Special:JSPages gives a 500 error.
      • Although I did not cause this, I resolved this myself.
    20. Special:Newwikis no longer exists.
      • This was eventually restored.
    21. WAM is gone.
      • There is nothing I can do to fix this. This is something only Wikia Staff can fix.
      • Yet another feature that Wikia Staff never finished, and just abandoned. WTF actually goes on in their minds? Constantly half-arsing new features, making promises about improvements which never happen, then removing them citing lack of use.
    22. The new version of tabview apparently doesn't keep track of which tab is which, resulting in content being loaded into the wrong tab when switching tabs while the tab is still loading.
      • There is nothing I can do to fix this. This is something only Wikia Staff can fix.
      • I've been using Saints Row Wiki:UnusedFiles for years by quickly switching between tabs to load them all, and have never seen this happen before now.
    23. Someone - who will likely never face consequences for their actions - thought it would be a good idea to try to generate thumbnails for OGG files, OGV files, and PDF files on category pages
      • -> the_result <- obviously, because why would you think that an image thumbnailer could make a thumbnail for a sound file?
      • There is nothing I can do to fix this. This is something only Wikia Staff can fix.
    24. There is no longer a wikifeatures log, so it is impossible to see when features are enabled or disabled.
      • There is nothing I can do to fix this. This is something only Wikia Staff can fix.
    25. Saints Row Wiki:Sandbox/http://deckers.die. All [[Http://deckers.die]] links are rendered as [[1]]. INCLUDING automatically generated DPL lists:
      • There is nothing I can do to fix this. This is something only Wikia Staff can fix.
    26. Category Trees STILL counts ghost pages: Category:Template has invalid parameters
      • There is nothing I can do to fix this. This is something only Wikia Staff can fix.
      • Wikia Staff claimed over a year ago that the platform update would resolve these.
      • FINALLY FIXED as of 16:21, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
    27. DPL queries with errors just silently ignore the errors instead of displaying an error message like they used to.
      • There is nothing I can do to fix this. This is something only Wikia Staff can fix.
      • This makes it very hard to debug problems. Is the DPL query not showing anything because there are no matches, or is it showing no results because there's some unknown error that I need to be a fucking psychic to figure out.
      • Note: I've found one case in which a single error is shown, but a variety of error messages which used to be shown are missing.
    28. DPL queries with blurbs don't work correctly
      • There is nothing I can do to fix this. This is something only Wikia Staff can fix.
      • Example: The main page news listing has the entire text of every news post, including comments.
    29. Table formatting has changed. Previously, you could put "|width=10em|field contents" to set the width of a field. Now, this does nothing.
      • This definitely results in countless tables across countless wikis having their table formatting ruined. Thanks a lot, Wikia Staff!
    30. Special:Contact doesn't exist, and just redirects to zendesk. For years, Wikia Staff have seemed like they resent people filing bug reports, apparently they've now decided to make it more difficult for people to do so.
      • There is nothing I can do to fix this. This is something only Wikia Staff can fix.
      • Making people jump through hoops so there are fewer bug reports is peak 2020. Absolutely fucking disgusting.
    31. Opensearch is now useless. Wikia Search has always been terrible, so someone created a script called "Search Suggestions" which added a list of title-based suggestions to the top of search pages. I also modified it to add a list of title-based suggestions to 404 pages. Both of these are now useless, and the 404 pages were filled with irrelevant results.
      • I've disabled both for now. I may be able to create a replacement script, but I have not looked into it yet.
    32. For the past 5 years, Wikia has used MediaWiki:Custom404page-noarticletext-alternative-found instead of MediaWiki:Noarticletext. But UCP doesn't use the new one. Any Wiki who customized the custom one instead of the old one is suddenly using the old one.
      • Luckily, when Wikia Staff launched Custom404page, it was locked. I had originally told them I refused to use the new one, and told them to disable it, and ultimately just had them redirect it to the old one which I could still edit. It was pure coincidence that I noticed this change.
    33. hidelogs=1 on RecentChanges does nothing.
      • There is nothing I can do to fix this. This is something only Wikia Staff can fix.
    34. RecentChanges no longer links to IP talk pages.
      • There is nothing I can do to fix this. This is something only Wikia Staff can fix.
      • This was changed LATER, around 2020-01-13.
    35. RecentChanges does not always contain the most recent edits, with some edits taking 4 minutes to be shown.
      • There is nothing I can do to fix this. This is something only Wikia Staff can fix.
      • I noticed this due to my AjaxRC script, but even manually refreshing the page doesn't show some edits for several minutes.
    36. RecentChanges sometimes misses edits completely.
      • There is nothing I can do to fix this. This is something only Wikia Staff can fix.
    37. The Recent Wiki Activity sidebar also sometimes misses edits completely, for no discernable reason.
      • There is nothing I can do to fix this. This is something only Wikia Staff can fix.
    38. When you upload a file which already exists, the error page displays the pre-existing image as a thumbnail gallery, and asks you if you want to add an image to that gallery. (And when you click the button, it shows a blank popup that cannot be closed.)
      • ...WHY? Who could possibly think that that is reasonable behaviour?
    39. The File Upload error page used to have two possible classes: ".warning", and ".error". ".warning" was changed to ".mw-destfile-warning". but ".error" is still ".error"
      • Why the fuck change one but not the other? Did the programmer fall asleep half way through updating class names?
    40. Newlines are not converted to linebreaks within Tabbers.
      • There is nothing I can do to fix this. This is something only Wikia Staff can fix.
      • Yet another instance of Wikia Staff not giving a shit about wikitext.
      • This was eventually fixed, after staying broken for many months.
    41. Editor preferences on UCP and non-UCP wikis are not correctly matched.
      • This is just utterly careless.
    42. Section Edit links are displayed even when section editing is disabled in user preferences.
      • There is nothing I can do to fix this. This is something only Wikia Staff can fix.
      • Once again, Wikia Staff do not care about user preferences.
    43. The "Template Classification Dialog" popup on all Non-UCP wikis is now broken. So no-one can create templates on wikis which have not been updated to UCP.
      • So, not only is the UCP breaking things on wikis that were fine when they are "upgraded" to UCP - UCP is also breaking things on wikis that haven't even been downgraded to UCP yet!
      • Yet another thing that they broke for no reason but will be too lazy to bother fixing, because if they wait long enough the problem will just go away.
    44. Categories are not shown in previews in any namespace
      • There is nothing I can do to fix this. This is something only Wikia Staff can fix.
      • This makes it difficult to troubleshoot category problems.
    45. Categories are not shown at the bottom of pages outside of the main or category namespaces.
      • There is nothing I can do to fix this. This is something only Wikia Staff can fix.
      • This means which hidden maintenance categories are not displayed at all, which makes it difficult to troubleshoot problems.
      • Wikia Staff again showing that they don't give a shit about editors.
      • Categories in other namespaces are back as of 07:36, 26 March 2021 (UTC) but look completely different because Wikia Staff used completely different classes for no reason.
    46. Categories outside of the main namespaces do not use the same class structure.
      • I have fixed the category styles myself.
    47. Duplicate articles are displayed in the Recent Activity sidebar.
      • In theory, I could use javascript to remove duplicate articles in the Recent Activity sidebar, but why should I have to?
      • Fixed before 16 March 2021
    48. Bot edits are displayed in the Recent Activity sidebar.
      • There is nothing I can do to fix this. This is something only Wikia Staff can fix.
      • Fixed before 16 March 2021
    49. Rollbacks are displayed in the Recent Activity sidebar.
      • There is nothing I can do to fix this. This is something only Wikia Staff can fix.
    50. Bot rollbacks are displayed in the Recent Activity sidebar.
      • There is nothing I can do to fix this. This is something only Wikia Staff can fix.
      • Fixed before 16 March 2021
    51. Editing an existing redirect causes it to be displayed in the Recent Activity sidebar.
      • There is nothing I can do to fix this. This is something only Wikia Staff can fix.
      • Fixed as of 21:41, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
    52. Creating a new redirect causes it to be displayed in the Recent Activity sidebar.
      • There is nothing I can do to fix this. This is something only Wikia Staff can fix.
      • Fixed as of 21:41, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
    53. Deleting a page causes it to be displayed in the Recent Activity sidebar as an edit
      • There is nothing I can do to fix this. This is something only Wikia Staff can fix..
      • This is particularly fucking annoying because it means that vandalism just fucking STAYS THERE.
    54. Deleting a redirect causes it to be displayed in the Recent Activity sidebar as an edit.
      • There is nothing I can do to fix this. This is something only Wikia Staff can fix.
      • How does this even happen? Why should a deletion trigger something to be logged as an edit?
      • At this point I'm surprised that Purges and Null Edits aren't also shown.
      • Fixed as of 21:41, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
    55. Category:Template errors - 55 pages didn't have errors before the update.
    56. The page resizing breakpoints have an error which doesn't appear at 100% zoom, but appears at all other zoom levels. Resizing any page with a rail to exactly 1024px results in the rail being shown with an incredibly squished article. Tested with 80%, 90%, 110%, 125%, 150% in both Chrome and Firefox. This can easily be fixed with minor changes to CSS - but the point is that testing CSS in different browser zoom levels is such a basic thing to do that this demonstrates that they don't do ANY form of testing at all.
    57. Audio files are broken in in collapsible tables, popout tables, and reference popups.
      • There is nothing I can do to fix this. This is something only Wikia Staff can fix - because the new audio player is a piece of shit which hides the filename and cannot be reinitialised.
      • If you disable javascript, the old Audio player is shown, and works fine. So why is there a new one at all if the old one is still present and functional?
    58. Same-wiki external links automatically open a new tab. This means all links in all navboxes open new tabs.
    59. Photosblacklist doesn't work. At all.
      • There is nothing I can do to fix this. This is something only Wikia Staff can fix.
    60. Titleblacklist doesn't work. At all. Special:Version says it's enabled, but it just doesn't work.
      • There is nothing I can do to fix this. This is something only Wikia Staff can fix.
      • When I first reported this to Wikia Staff, they said "Please includt the URL to the MediaWiki:Titleblacklist." Just when I thought they couldn't get any more incompetent.
      • They have finally fixed this, sometime between 2021-01-24 and 2021-02-13
      • It is only partially fixed, several filters which used to work no longer do...
      • and:
    61. Titlewhitelist does not work.
    62. importArticles can not be used in the user namespace to load other javascript in the User namespace
    63. importArticles does not work in test mode.
      • 10 months later, still broken.
    64. importArticles later completely broke, and didn't even work at all.
      • This single issue has since been fixed.
    65. File names are not displayed on Special:UnusedFiles
      • There is nothing I can do to fix this. This is something only Wikia Staff can fix.
      • Works fine on wikipedia, so it's clearly not a mediawiki problem - why is it broken here?
    66. Page usage is not displayed on Special:NewFiles
      • There is nothing I can do to fix this. This is something only Wikia Staff can fix.
    67. Videos are broken on Special:NewFiles.
      • There is nothing I can do to fix this. This is something only Wikia Staff can fix.
      • It looks like the only thing that wasn't updated was Wikia's lightbox, which is as still as broken as ever.
    68. The image lightbox doesn't open when clicking a slideshow gallery on desktop. Clicking a slideshow does absolutely nothing.
      • After waiting 3 months for this to be fixed, I have side-stepped the issue.
    69. The image lightbox doesn't open when clicking a thumbnail gallery on mobile. Clicking an image results in an error.
      • After waiting 3 months for this to be fixed, I have fixed this myself.
    70. Global user javascript isn't loaded.
      • There is nothing I can do to fix this. This is something only Wikia Staff can fix.
      • It took them just under 6 fucking months to fix this.
    71. Global user stylesheet isn't loaded.
      • There is nothing I can do to fix this. This is something only Wikia Staff can fix.
      • It took them just under 6 fucking months to fix this.
      • Except, as usual, they've fucked it up. The global CSS file isn't being loaded, the contents of the global.css page are being inserted into the page within an unlabelled style tag.
    72. The url parameters usesitecss, useusercss, usesitejs, allowsitejs, useuserjs, allowuserjs don't work, making debugging this update more difficult than it has to be.
      • Fixed sometime recently, as the help page still states it is broken
      • Nope, not quite fixed. useusercss and useuserjs work, the others don't.
    73. OGV thumbnails are broken. These have always been broken, but it was previously possible to sidestep the issue by hiding the broken image. Now, the controls do not display until you hover over the video, so hiding the broken images hides the entire video.
    74. OGG and OGV files are unreasonably slow to load compared with before the update.
    75. {{#ip:}} no longer works.
    76. There is no Special:WikiActivity, despite Wikia Staff forcing it down our throats for years.
    77. There is no Special:Pageswithoutinfobox - rolled my own: Saints Row Wiki:Sandbox/without infoboxes
    78. There is no Special:ActiveUsers
    79. There is no Special:MultipleUpload
    80. There is no Special:Editcount
      • Special:Editcount has now re-appeared. Unsure when this happened, as Wikia Staff fired the person who posted Technical Updates and apparently didn't notice they didn't assign that task to anyone else until last week. 20:33, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
    81. There is no Special:UnusedVideos
    82. There is no Special:Disambiguations
    83. There is no Special:Following
    84. There is no Special:Mostpopularcategories
    85. There is no Special:MostLinkedFilesInContent
    86. Special:ListUsers says all groups are 0
      • This was eventually fixed.
    87. Special:ListUsers does not allow admins/rollback/bots/etc to be selected.
    88. Group links to Special:ListUsers do nothing, even for groups which are listed.
    89. Special:ListUsers links to "Wall", despite the fact that User_Talk pages are used here.
    90. Special:ListUsers cannot be sorted alphabetically.
    91. Special:ListUsers navigation does not respect sort order.
    92. The class "article-with-rail" is added to all pages, even when it doesn't have a rail.
    93. The right rail is shown on edit pages in some namespaces, such as User:
    94. There is a certain situation in which the full size (massive) images are being loaded and displayed smaller, instead of loading the appropriately sized image.
      • I'm not going to report the details about this one, because I want to see how long it will take Wikia Staff to notice this on their own.
      • Of course they've fixed THIS bug before more important things that I actually reported.
      • Details: Category pages used full size images instead of thumbnails.
      • NOW, Category pages are using CROPPED images instead of resizing it to fit. This looks particularly terrible on categories like Category:Weapons in Saints Row 2 and Category:Vehicles in Saints Row 2 which cut off the images.
    95. Namespace checks are broken, {{ns:1200}} previously returned "Message Wall", but instead returns "Message Wall".
      • Apparently this was fixed, sometime before 16 March 2021
    96. Most wikis are littered with dead links and inaccessible pages of the form "Special:Badtitle/NS1201" - namespaces vary. These cannot be deleted through normal means. All newly created wikis get an inaccessible page "Special:Badtitle/NS502:Recent posts" created by User:FANDOM.
      • Luckily, the Saints Row Wiki isn't effected by this, as I already manually deleted all pages in those namespaces. However, this does not excuse this absolutely amateurish oversight from Wikia Staff.
    97. Category:Broken references - 220 pages weren't broken before the update: Saints_Row_Wiki:Sandbox/UCP_Broke_References
      • I have resolved this.
    98. References was forced into 2 columns for no reason.
      • I have sidestepped this issue with CSS.
    99. Slideshow galleries do not work at all.
      • This was partially fixed, and I side-stepped the remaining issues.
    100. There's no fucking Help:Welcome tool any more.
      • When I reported this to Wikia Staff, they told me "this feature is not currently available on new wikis". Last time I checked, this wiki was created 13 fucking years ago. Once I pointed that out, they told me "The message wall works on another software for new platform." - Last time I checked, this wiki doesn't fucking use Message Wall. (The icing on the cake was that Wikia Staff acted like *I* was the one in that conversation who didn't know what I was talking about, linking me to the Help page despite me leaving comments on the talk page 9 years ago.)
      • I've created my own replacement welcome tool in less than an hour.
    101. Message Wall Greetings are no longer shown.
    102. Links to Message Wall on wikis without it enabled used to display the user header and links, now it shows a 404 page in the main namespace without a link to the user page.
      • Yet another way that the New and Improved Tacked On Message Wall has even worse integration.
    103. Tranferred Discussions and Message Wall messages cannot be edited.
    104. New messages can be edited, but diffs and history are not visible. Entirely contrary to the spirit of a wiki.
    105. Transferred Discussions and Message Wall messages contain direct links to images. If those images are renamed, there is no notification of broken images on Special:WantedFiles or Category:Pages_with_broken_file_links - AND there is no way to edit those posts to update the image url.
    106. The new Message Wall does not have the function to close threads to prevent future replies while leaving them visible.
    107. The new Message Wall does not have the function to sort threads by last reply.
    108. The new Message Wall displays deleted threads with no apparent way to opt-out of seeing them.
    109. The new Message Wall has duplicated every old thread on my Community Central Message Wall.
    110. The new Message Wall doesn't link to the "user_talk_archive".
    111. The new Message Wall redirects links to "user_talk:user?action=history"
    112. The new Message Wall redirects links to user_talk diffs.
      • I knew that the new Message Wall betrays the spirit of wikis, but I didn't realise it also actively preventing access to the history of a wiki.
    113. The new Blog comments redirect links to diffs
    114. The new Blog comments redirect links to action=history
    115. Thread and ?curid= links to specific "New Forum" comments do not correctly link to transferred Discussion comments

    These are just the issues that I've noticed, generally because they effect this wiki. Who knows how many other problems there are that I just haven't encountered. Edit: over 100.

    In addition, these are the problems which still existed in August when they first announced the Saints Row Wiki would be "upgraded":

    • There was no user javascript
    • mw.util was not available, so most site javascript was broken
    • There was no easy access to source editor. The only way to get to the source editor was to manually add "?action=submit" to the URL.
    • DPL was completely broken, because the dplcache parameter was throwing an error, so every single page on the wiki was broken.
    • tabview was not enabled
    • No OGG audio or OGV video support
    • The "Disable Category module" option was hiding categories entirely when enabled.

    Wikia Staff have informed me that they're aware that UCP is full of bugs and will be doing bug fixes in the next few weeks.

    • Update: It has been over a month, and the list of problems I've found is much larger, while Wikia Staff have only fixed 1 issue in that time.
    • Update: It has been over a 3 months, and the list of problems I've found is much larger, while Wikia Staff have only fixed 3 issues in that time.

    I have reported several of the most glaring issues which should have never made it past beta-testing, and I'm aware of many other issues, but as the current state of things is 100% their fault, and not mine, I will not be performing any more mitigation until they have declared at the UCP is in a finished state.

    • To be clear: I have upgraded the site CSS and JS in line with the intended changes, and have implemented some javascript bandaids to fix several easy things. There are a variety of things I could do to mitigate some of the other problems, but I shouldn't fucking have to, because this unfinished upgrade should never have been released.

    If you see any other issues, please point them out in the comments below!

    452 (between 11:15, 28 October 2020 (UTC) and 18:13, 20 November 2020 (UTC))

    Comments

    I still can't even fucking edit pages without putting "?action=submit" in the URL manually. 452 11:15, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

    You know, a few months back, I distinctly remember thinking, "Godspeed, 452" with respect to Saints Row WIki's inevitable migration to UCP. At multiple points throughout the UCP updates/migrations timeline, I would think upon all the issues I imagined UCP migration would cause more 'complex' wikis like Saints Row; so, I frequently checked to see whether SR Wiki had yet received the migration announcement banner-and once it had, well, it was only a matter of time.

    I was not aware of the Saints Row-UCP test wiki and that concomitant migration preparations were underway as early back as August, so at first I was taken aback to read your opening line, "There was supposed to be a final warning..." --because I was thinking about ordinary migration/announcement banner circumstances; I know when the announcement banner first appeared on one wiki I admin (Baccano! Wiki) back in August, I thought I would have at least two weeks to prepare based on some blog post or another I had read on Community Central. B! Wiki was migrated in less than two weeks following the banner's appearance.

    I was already planning to wish you good luck with the migration, but, having now seen and read this UCP Update, I can only commiserate and wish you best of luck more fervently. There is a user-compiled list of known UCP bugs at Noreplyz/UCP that you may have already seen, or, if not, have an interest in checking. I don't believe the list is exhaustive, for there is at least one side-effect of migrations I can think of that I don't think is included; I added a bug myself that I submitted a ticket for in September and am still waiting to be fixed (.ogg file player embedded in collapsed content does not work/render). I can only imagine what myriad bugs you and general users have already found and may regrettably still have yet to discover.

    Ah, right, I'll try not to digress into a vent about certain general UCP gripes when this forum thread should stick to the Saints Row Wiki migration. I certainly do hope the next Technical Updates are bug-oriented, considering that a wide number of wikis have been newly batch-migrated (and with consideration to all the wikis that have been issue-laden for some time already).

    Before I sign off, which editor are you using as your primary/default editor? I switched to the 2010 editor as soon as it was available due to how unbearably slow the UCP editing experience was, and I'm wondering whether ?action=submit is unfortunately necessary regardless of editor, or... Well, you may have already tested that, and I'm sure I could test it myself.

    In sum: regarding the UCP migration, my sympathy for you and the wiki is acute. Revriley (talk) 06:38, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

    Thanks!
    It sounds like we first got the announcement banner at the same time in August.
    I had already created my own test wiki back in March so I could align the CSS with the new selectors well ahead of time. They created the "official" cloned test wiki on 2020-07-20, but didn't bother telling me about it until 3 weeks later - there wasn't really anything for me to "do" at that point other than point out a range of flaws. It was soon after that that they "paused migrations" and the banner disappeared from here. But once they resumed migrations, the banner never re-appeared.
    (.ogg file player embedded in collapsed content does not work/render).
    Thanks, I noticed that, but had thought the cause was just that it was unclickable - unfortunately I only randomly saw it while fixing the randomiser templates on the main page, so that's just going to have to be something fun for me to track down later. edit: found! yeah, just a blank rectangle. Hopefully they fix that soon.
    I'm using the 2010 editor (without ?action=submit thankfully) - and will be encourage others to do the same.
    Due to all the problems it caused, the old "new Visual Editor" was soft-disabled here, so using the "use site default" (or whatever) option would default to the source/visual tabbed mode, and you could only use "new Visual Editor" if you specifically selected it.
    I also can only imagine the bugs that the new "new Visual Editor" is going to cause due to being the default.
    They fucked up the implementation of editor preferences, so if you select "source" on a non-UCP wiki, your UCP wiki preference is STILL set to "visual editor - source mode".
    Preferred editor comparison.png
    I had thought that the problem was simply that option 3 was mapped to option 3 - a rookie mistake, but I just tested the other options and they've successfully mapped both option 1 and 2 to option 1. I think this shows that this is deliberate, so saying "The bug fix for editor preferences being mismatched between Legacy and UCP is currently undergoing QA.", and later claiming it was fixed is yet another lie from Wikia Staff.
    Fortunately, most of the issues with UCP aren't difficult for me to overcome, the worst part for me is the timing. That and having to wait up to several days for javascript edits to be approved. And my global JS still not being loaded.
    452 14:12, 3 November 2020 (UTC) (updated 17:39, 3 November 2020 (UTC))
    I just tried to fix the "ogg in collapsible" problem, and I can't, because the filename isn't even in the HTML. 452 17:52, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
    Typo fix for first reply: I typed a semi-colon instead of a colon within the Noreplyz/UCP link. Fixed; link now actually links to the list of issues.
    Ha, did you see the global "fatal exception" issue that crashed all UCP and UCP-migrated wikis earlier